will they ever learn?

[smopo24]

pete doherty just doesn't seem to get it does he?

Babyshambles frontman Pete Doherty (music), 26, who earlier this month escaped serving a jail sentence for seven previous drug-related charges, was again arrested Monday (2/27), this time on suspicion of heroin and cocaine possession, as well as auto theft.

Doherty is scheduled to return to court on March 8. Part of the conditions of his previous release required Doherty to attend a drug rehabilitation program.



what will make these people understand that they need help? doesn't just excusing them do more harm than good? is that same rush for fame and adulation fed by the same parts of the brain that are stimulated by addiction?

[mikegee]

hmmm

i look at it differently, just a different take, but, maybe he's getting busted cuz he is famous or whatever, and if he wasnt well known, he would float under the radar with his asorted addictions, but i guess the other side to my point is, if ya gonna be famous, ya gotta deal with all that goes with the fame, including drug bust notoriety, but i am sure that helps him sell more than less cds too: "no such thing as bad publicity.."

[smopo24]

Originally Posted by mikegee

hmmm

i look at it differently, just a different take, but, maybe he's getting busted cuz he is famous or whatever, and if he wasnt well known, he would float under the radar with his asorted addictions, but i guess the other side to my point is, if ya gonna be famous, ya gotta deal with all that goes with the fame, including drug bust notoriety, but i am sure that helps him sell more than less cds too: "no such thing as bad publicity.."

i don't know, there are many well-known drug users out there that rarely or never get busted. look at how many people know that snoop dog, willie nelson, or any "jam band" uses and they hardly ever get busted. the cops aren't stupid. sometimes they let these people go, or don't check because there is no probable cause (some may say that being willie nelson is probable cause enough; but i digress). others make sure that they don't get busted by not carrying any (it reminds me of this story i heard about a notorious stretch of I55 between chicago and st. louis that is well known among bands as a "checkpoint" for touring vans). addicts mostly get away with murder (sometimes literally) because of their fame/money. they shouldn't be exempt from laws that you and i are subject to; no wonder some behave like spoiled, entitled children.

[mikegee]

Originally Posted by smopo24

i don't know, there are many well-known drug users out there that rarely or never get busted. look at how many people know that snoop dog, willie nelson, or any "jam band" uses and they hardly ever get busted. the cops aren't stupid. sometimes they let these people go, or don't check because there is no probable cause (some may say that being willie nelson is probable cause enough; but i digress). others make sure that they don't get busted by not carrying any (it reminds me of this story i heard about a notorious stretch of I55 between chicago and st. louis that is well known among bands as a "checkpoint" for touring vans). addicts mostly get away with murder (sometimes literally) because of their fame/money. they shouldn't be exempt from laws that you and i are subject to; no wonder some behave like spoiled, entitled children.

good points... i think yer right, the "smart" artists probably hire peeps to carry for them... but either way, they should know they are under the microscope being in the limelight... i sometimes wonder if paparazzi photographers narc on stars on purpose just to get an interesting photo shoot hmmm...

[smopo24]

Originally Posted by mikegee

good points... i think yer right, the "smart" artists probably hire peeps to carry for them... but either way, they should know they are under the microscope being in the limelight... i sometimes wonder if paparazzi photographers narc on stars on purpose just to get an interesting photo shoot hmmm...

a good theory, but i don't think they have the inside scoop on them like that (i assume). it's more like publicists telling photographers where their "celeb" is going to be before they get there, then they act suprised to see them.

[GearJunkie]

woah woah woah.... WHAT?!

MUSICIANS TAKE DRUGS?!

[smopo24]

Originally Posted by GearJunkie

woah woah woah.... WHAT?!

MUSICIANS TAKE DRUGS?!

oh yes, i've actually witnessed this in person! i was on my way to christian-baptist-fundamentalist-puritan bible study, when i spotted some ruffian with a guitar lighting up a marijuanna cigarette! right there, on the sidewalk! in front of god! i ran home and burned all of my johnny mathis records in protest. i have also heard that some "musicians" engage in pre-marital sexual activities! when will the madness stop??? save your children!

[Whoopysnorp]

Remember Scott Weiland? That guy certainly had a tough time staying out of rehab.

I wonder what it is about heroin that has such a profound effect on the music made by the musicians taking it. It seems like Stone Temple Pilots started off making sludgy, ponderous rock while they were all using a lot of it, and then they went kind of weird and sing-songy when they were trying to quit it (or not, I don't know what was really going on when Tiny Music came out). Conversely, Red Hot Chili Peppers were mainly doing upbeat funky stuff while they were using a lot of heroin (with the exception of stuff like Under The Bridge, which admittedly is actually about using heroin), and now that they're not, they've gotten incredibly lame and boring (in my opinion anyway).

[smopo24]

Originally Posted by Whoopysnorp

Remember Scott Weiland? That guy certainly had a tough time staying out of rehab.

I wonder what it is about heroin that has such a profound effect on the music made by the musicians taking it. It seems like Stone Temple Pilots started off making sludgy, ponderous rock while they were all using a lot of it, and then they went kind of weird and sing-songy when they were trying to quit it (or not, I don't know what was really going on when Tiny Music came out). Conversely, Red Hot Chili Peppers were mainly doing upbeat funky stuff while they were using a lot of heroin (with the exception of stuff like Under The Bridge, which admittedly is actually about using heroin), and now that they're not, they've gotten incredibly lame and boring (in my opinion anyway).

yea, i have a lot of friends that say "i liked so and so better when they were on drugs." i don't think it's the substances that make these people creative, it just gives them something to talk about. i think they believe it contributes to the "magic" and rely on it as a crutch or excuse.

[Whoopysnorp]

I definitely don't think that drugs are a good idea for musicians in general (and never the bad stuff like cocaine and heroin), but it seems like with heroin especially that bands using it can come up with some pretty good stuff, and they probably were great beforehand as well, but after they quit they start to suck. It's a pretty scary testament to the destructive power of that drug, I think.