Olga.net and tab sites shutdown

[smopo24]

Originally Posted by Whoopysnorp

Another side of it is that relying on tab to figure out songs you want to play prevents you from developing your ear, and having a good ear and being able to pick stuff up on the fly is essential towards being a good musician, in my opinion. I think guitarists should try more to figure out songs the way I always have, from the time I was learning up to the present: play a few seconds of the CD, pause it, try to play what you heard on guitar, rewind and play again until you've got it, move on to the next section, repeat, etc etc.

i agree to an extent, but sometimes it's too difficult and you need help. you can develop your ear by knowing what the correct chords are and recognising them in other songs, or finding them to be incorrect and trying to figure out the right one.

[Nubus]

Originally Posted by Whoopysnorp

Another side of it is that relying on tab to figure out songs you want to play prevents you from developing your ear, and having a good ear and being able to pick stuff up on the fly is essential towards being a good musician, in my opinion. I think guitarists should try more to figure out songs the way I always have, from the time I was learning up to the present: play a few seconds of the CD, pause it, try to play what you heard on guitar, rewind and play again until you've got it, move on to the next section, repeat, etc etc.

I don't know why people don't do this stuff all the time, if they want to get better. Same thing with a drum beat or pattern you can't play. try stuff again and again and over and over if you can't play something. It can't make you worse.

[warmowski]

Originally Posted by smopo24

or, it could just result in people becoming djs instead and making more bad techno! in theory i agree, but how many songs (classic or modern) came from theft; obvious or not. i gather that you mean for people to try to create music free from influence possibly? that's impossible unless you have lived in a bubble your whole life. sure, too many people try to play like eddie van halen, the beatles, pavement; but some people just want to play their songs and not compose....for them, there's tab. i can't read music, and neither can a lot of people, so it helps.

Originally Posted by smopo24

or, it could just result in people becoming djs instead and making more bad techno! in theory i agree, but how many songs (classic or modern) came from theft; obvious or not. i gather that you mean for people to try to create music free from influence possibly? that's impossible unless you have lived in a bubble your whole life. sure, too many people try to play like eddie van halen, the beatles, pavement; but some people just want to play their songs and not compose....for them, there's tab. i can't read music, and neither can a lot of people, so it helps.

Free from influence: Putting it in guitar/bass terms...

Probably everyone here knows that feeling when you "come up" with a riff that you like, a riff that carries your idiosyncracies, something that you can call your own. And when you can mate that riff with the other riff or two of yours that forms a song, that excitement just builds. (I bet that feeling is the central reason so many people cling to the process of making original music when the activity can be so costly. I know it's why I do, anyway.)

Now, I can produce all kinds of viable songs if I surgically looted bars from songs and strung them together. But that feeling won't be there. And for better or for worse, that feeling is all I care about, really.

I don't claim to be free from influence. I grant that a progression or pedal point or tied note or whatever may have come from any part of the thousands and thousands of hours of music I have abosrbed. Indeed I have noticed sometimes years later that I briefly quoted Debussy or the Who. But the important point is: I didn't do it on purpose. I'm not free of influence, but I am free of dishonorable intent. After all, the creation of the material - even if later it turns out to be in part re-creation - is just about the only completely satisfying aspect of music to me.

I have never even considered being in a band whose job was to cover material, nor have I ever seriously thought using samples of records was a good idea. For me, that's a waste of time and waste of self -- which is why it's a good thing I never considered making music as a career.

Tabs have been helpful if I wanted to cobble together the occasional cover version of something. Short of that, if Olga were killed off, it wouldn't affect me personally very much, even though I hope they stick around because tabs have their uses as research tools.

-r

[Nubus]

Originally Posted by warmowski

I have never even considered being in a band whose job was to cover material, nor have I ever seriously thought using samples of records was a good idea. For me, that's a waste of time and waste of self -- which is why it's a good thing I never considered making music as a career.

Without using samples hip hop music would have never existed. I don't see anything wrong with sampling. If you don't like sampling, fine. It isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is it a waste of time/self.

[warmowski]

Originally Posted by Nubus

Without using samples hip hop music would have never existed. I don't see anything wrong with sampling. If you don't like sampling, fine. It isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor is it a waste of time/self.

No, not necessarily for everyone. Just 100% of the time over here.

Sampling is good for one thing, though: when it's a good groove, it does make me want to turn off the track that's limping along on the merits of another record and go find the real record.

Sometimes then I want to know how that original groove was made so I might look for a tab if I can't quite pick it up.

-r

[McLean]

I have strong feelings about covers going in both directions.

It think people should not be so lazy and write their own material. If not, don't be so lazy to not even figure it out yourself.

On the other hand, it is a very helpful resouce for learning and getting new ideas for technques that you may not know. I have also used this method to learn a few tunes myself. So I can't knock it to hard.

The real deal is, how would you react if this was your song. There reason this site is getting shut down is due to copywrite issues. Copywrite protection is the only way musicians/artist get paid. If this was your material all over the web for free, you might be a bit upset. After spending all of that hard work and money and the years of blood, sweat, and tears into your craft to only have people get it for free. I might have the an issue as well. Think if you did all of this work to still have to have a job a Mickey D's. That would suck. However, it is usually not about the artist and more about the lawyers, I say screw them, but if the monies do trickel to the artist, than it can not be the worst thing. Just remember, these are the same people we want to protect our songs and our creations. It sucks bad for folks like Olga and other folks trying to learn how to play. But these are the rules, until we change the rules that is how it is.

[gs246836]

mad: : so we need to strike back by protesting, writing to media executives and there has to be muscians that are big now that used tab sites to get started and also just to learn new things. so u need to find them. what they are doing i.s taking away our freedom to interperet their work. so i say we start to get back at the people who are doing this. stop buying the cd's of the artists u want tabs for or dont download music as much so u can make a dent in the industry and distract them. if anyone else has ideas, then lets hear them

[silenced]

To McLean's point -

Some easy to read and understand economic theory behind the debate over whether creative work such as songs should even have copyright protection at all (whether it's required for innovation)...

See this article in Reason magazine

Do you think copyright protection is essential to protect music makers?

[AmpMan]

That is a form of discrimination. It's a sad thing that something so beautiful like music is restricted by such crap.

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