1200''s vs. everything

[True Digital Audio Tape]

As far as I'm concerned it's all about the 12's.
Can someone tell me why I would buy anything else?
Numark, Vestax, Gemini (haha).
?

[EvanExempt]

The vestax PDX2000MK2PRO go backward and offer the ultra pitch feature which gives you analogous control of the percentage of variance elicited by the Master Pitch controller. This is VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRYY handy if you are doing mixes on the wrong speeds.

For instance, I will play a 45rpm breaks record at 135 bpm, but then after the breakdown I'll just hit the 33rpm switch which drags the tempo back to about 90 bpm and totally throws the dancefloor into sludge.... but ... then I'll grab a 45rpm Drum and Bass Record and throw it on at 180Bpm's ... You see where I'm going???? DOUBLE TIME BABY!! It sounds sooooo sick when you get this Mix locked cause the slowed down break beat record just gives off this massive, churning bass with the Crazy DandB layed over the top.
Basaically the DNB record needs to be exactly TWICE THE TEMPO of the Slowed Breaks Record.
Eventually you pull the breaks record out of the mix and let the DNB ride out for a while.... but THEN slow that one down to 33 which puts the DNB record tempo down to 130 bpm,,, and throw another Breaks record at 45rpms (the regular speed) on top of that.... Then flip it all around again.

When doing this it is sometimes hard to get both records locked with 8% pitch variance... which is what most olders decks offer... so the ultra pitch feature is essential for this type of mixing.


Though not everyone is as crazy as me.

[silenced]

If you just want to spin records, the 1200s are fine - they are built solid. But if you just want reliability, why not CD or (better) MP3? Solid state can't be beat for reliability.

I've got no problem with Technics - in fact I've got the predecessor to the SL1200 myself at home, I think it's probably over 30 years old now (SL12 may be the model number?) and it works like new. It's been modified to play 78s which is nifty. Probably will outlive me.

But if you want to make music with records, truly create, you are short changing yourself not to look at some of the features on the newer turntables. I'm not a DJ artist - but don't get hung up in the "me too" underground DJ identity ("SL1200s forever") and overlook the powerful cool new tools out there for creative artists.

But maybe you don't aspire to creativity?

[fargone]

wow. someone's talking some smack. did you actually say that mp3s are better? have you heard them played in a live situation? if you don't have a DAMN good codec, they are garbage. pixelized high end distortion. and not the good even harmonic kind.

have you ever sat down and listened to what a good piece of vinyl sounds like on a decent system? it blows away CD recordings. makes mp3s laughable.

don't get me wrong, I'm all for high end technology, but you've got to be careful saying things like "you are short changing yourself" by dismissing some of this new technology. sorry for the cliché, but if it's not broke, don't fix it.

have you heard anybody like DJ Shadow or Kid Koala? those guys are hella creative. creativity doesn't come from the tools. the chissel doesn't make the sculpture.

oh, the term is digital, not solid state. we're not talking tubes and transistors. if we are, i'll side with the fact that I've never seen or heard of a turntable with vacuum tubes.

[True Digital Audio Tape]

Just wanted to say,
I have nothing to say.

[silenced]

mp3 can play from flash memory, which is solid state, no moving parts.

e.g. http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.a...9&SubCatID=179 (I'm not saying i recommend this specific model for djs)

i agree, mp3s don't sound that great (though they are ok for most purposes at the higher bitrates). but i said the main advantage of the SL1200 is reliability and mp3s played from flash rom are more reliable.

and yes i prefer the sound of vinyl (esp for club music), the various imperfections do improve the sound - but all turntables play vinyl, not just SL1200s...

true enough you can be creative with the same old trues, i overstated that. but the fact is that new tools open up creative options, and the SL1200 isn't anywhere on that.

[EvanExempt]

Originally Posted by silenced

If you just want to spin records, the 1200s are fine - they are built solid. But if you just want reliability, why not CD or (better) MP3? Solid state can't be beat for reliability.

Are you saying that you would entrust your life to an iPod?

I'd rather change a broken stylus on one of my decks than take an intermission in my set to call tech support for my hercules controller that just exploded.

[dagosto]

After reading all of this discussion I feel the need to repost this:



for some reason it feels poingant.

[puffpastry]

Stanton 180's

[Nubus]

MP3 will go away before vinyl